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Andreas Johnsson?- John Tavares - Mitch Marner
Patrick Marleau?-?Auston Matthews - Kasperi Kapanen
Connor Brown?- Nazem Kadri?- William Nylander
Par Lindholm?-?The Goat?- Trevor Moore

Morgan Rielly - Ron Hainsey
Jake Gardiner - Nikita Zaitsev
Travis Dermott?-?Igor Ozhiganov

Garret Sparks
(Frederik Andersen)

Zach Hyman?- Ankle
Tyler Ennis - Ankle
Martin Marincin - Healthy
Justin Holl?- Healthy

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Kadri!

.....I mean...

Tavares!!!!

Edited by Krylian

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Don't like to see a goalie beat 5 hole one on one like that. But how did he get behind the defense?

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Only listened to game but sounded like Sparks settled down after the first one and played a solid road game. Nice.

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10 hours ago, LeafsFanSmith said:

Man sparks is garbage. 6-1-1. What a terrible backup who’s played like 10 nhl games total?

Wins and losses is a team stat.? Don't ever use record to determine the performance of a goalie again.

.910 save percentage isn't bad though.

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22 minutes ago, Krylian said:

Wins and losses is a team stat.? Don't ever use record to determine the performance of a goalie again.

.910 save percentage isn't bad though.

If it’s not a relevant goalie stat, why is it tracked? Wins and losses should be the main thing fans care about.

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17 minutes ago, LeafsFanSmith said:

If it’s not a relevant goalie stat, why is it tracked? Wins and losses should be the main thing fans care about.

Win-loss record is not an indicator of future or sustainable success.

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36 minutes ago, LeafsFanSmith said:

If it’s not a relevant goalie stat, why is it tracked? Wins and losses should be the main thing fans care about.

pitching wins too right?

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15 minutes ago, Check Your Sources said:

pitching wins too right?

Yes. I guess I’ll just put it this way last year when Freddie set the franchise record in wins we should give more credit to the absolutely stellar defence the leafs had all year. Every statistic is important, but to say winning isn’t important for both pitchers and goalies. It angers me a little bit for this reason, the leafs got rid of reimer primarily because of the two options they had, bernier was more technically sound. All reimer did was win and stop pucks. Ask Patrick Lalaime whether or not goalies have major impact on outcomes?

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52 minutes ago, LeafsFanSmith said:

Yes. I guess I’ll just put it this way last year when Freddie set the franchise record in wins we should give more credit to the absolutely stellar defence the leafs had all year. Every statistic is important, but to say winning isn’t important for both pitchers and goalies. It angers me a little bit for this reason, the leafs got rid of reimer primarily because of the two options they had, bernier was more technically sound. All reimer did was win and stop pucks. Ask Patrick Lalaime whether or not goalies have major impact on outcomes?

Wins and Losses are a combination of all facets of the game, not just the goalie.? Sv% is the best standard stat we have to judging a goalies performance and even that doesn't tell the whole story as it doesn't take into account quality of scoring chances.? Take pitching for example...This is a great year to look at it.? Jacob DeGrom had one of the most dominant seasons for a starting pitcher in recent memory.? Just owned the entire league.? ERA of 1.70.? WHIP of 0.912.? FIP of 1.98 11.2 K/9IP. 1.9BB/9IP.? Just other worldly.? His record?? 10-9.? Why?? Cause the Mets couldn't score for him...at all.? He's a 20 game winner on 80% of the teams in baseball...and possibly a 25 game winner on a few of the elite teams.? But if you look at his 10-9 record you'd say he was a .500 pitcher.

Again...won-loss is a team stat.

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1 hour ago, Krylian said:

Wins and Losses are a combination of all facets of the game, not just the goalie.? Sv% is the best standard stat we have to judging a goalies performance and even that doesn't tell the whole story as it doesn't take into account quality of scoring chances.? Take pitching for example...This is a great year to look at it.? Jacob DeGrom had one of the most dominant seasons for a starting pitcher in recent memory.? Just owned the entire league.? ERA of 1.70.? WHIP of 0.912.? FIP of 1.98 11.2 K/9IP. 1.9BB/9IP.? Just other worldly.? His record?? 10-9.? Why?? Cause the Mets couldn't score for him...at all.? He's a 20 game winner on 80% of the teams in baseball...and possibly a 25 game winner on a few of the elite teams.? But if you look at his 10-9 record you'd say he was a .500 pitcher.

Again...won-loss is a team stat.

I’m not saying that the other statistics aren’t important. What I’m saying is when a guy wins 20 games in the majors and in hockey, sets a franchise record in wins. Are we allowed to celebrate it or is it a product of the system??Because without Freddie we’re a mid level team. Goalies in hockey and pitchers have the biggest impact on team success. They get blamed for loses and not enough credit for wins. All I’m saying we can count all stats in evaluation. But we can’t discredit Sparks because he hasn’t looked amazing. He’s won. Just like we can’t discredit Jacob degrom because he played on the shitty Mets. I’m not saying wins and loses tell the whole story and don’t deserve team credit. I’d just would rather it not be discredited altogether. I’ll take 6-1-1 any day of the week?

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Wins are a useless stat for pitchers and goalies. If your goalie allows 7 goals a game and you score 8 that's a win. If your goalie allows 1 goal a game and you score 0, that's a loss.?

Which goalie do you think played better??

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Think of all the great goalies the Leafs have had in their history.

Who held the Leafs wins record before Andersen?

Andrew Raycroft.

EDIT: The year Raycroft set that record he was 49th in GAA and 56th in SV%. In a 30 team league.

Edited by Ryan

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